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New Development on Briarcliff Road?

Minerva, an Atlanta development company, is holding a public meeting at Westminster Church next week about its plans for the address.

 

Could we see new development near the intersection of Briarcliff and Lavista roads?

Minerva, an Atlanta development company, is holding a meeeting at Westminster Church on Thursday to discuss its plans for the rezoning and development at 2212 Briarcliff Road, according to the LaVista Park Civic Association.

No additional details were given in an email sent out to association members, but it said the meeting would serve as an opportunity for nearby residents to weigh on the proposed development and get educated.

The church is at 1438 Sheridan Road, and the meeting will run from 7:30 p.m. - 9 p.m.

Related Topics: Lavista Park Civic Association and Minerva

Terry Smith

7:49 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

The developers will not stop until they have paved over every singles square foot of land in the area. i hope there is a special spot in h*ll for all of them, they are nothing more than money grubbing sociopaths.

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Jim Bobber

8:13 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

what's on this tract currently? Is this where the old apartment is?

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Jonathan Cribbs

8:38 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Hard to say. My memory for that area doesn't serve me well, but a Google Earth search shows that, yes, there is an old apartment complex there or adjacent to that address. A residential home has also been attached to that address. So, I'm not quite sure. I hope to find out soon. And if not immediately then definitely Thursday.

Tammy

9:14 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

I think that this address is currently a single family home surrounded by many large mature trees. There has been a for sale sign out front for a month or so now and rezoning signs recently went up on the property. It'll be nice to see all of those big trees removed for more townhouses, we really need more people using Briarcliff.

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Jim

9:14 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

>>> a meeeting at Westminster Church on Thursday<<<

Request: When you write a sentence like this, please enter the specific date. In this case, I assume you mean Thursday, November 15. Thanks.

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David S

12:28 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

The property is a 2.5 acre plat with a 65-year old single family house on it.
My guess is that the developer will be seeking a zoning change from R85 to R100. This would allow the development of small lot, “mini mansions,” similar to Wildcliff Estates next door to the property.

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Don Broussard

1:41 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Thanks for your research on the property — but the developer will surely go for denser zoning: either RA-8 (allows attached townhouses ) or maybe R-50 allowing SF homes on 50-ft wide lots. Both can produce a density of 8 units per acre compared to the 4 units per acre for most SF zones in our area. Probably can kiss the trees goodbye unless you work out a real good site plan as a zoning condition. Trouble is, you CANNOT RELY on DeKalb County, Jeff Rader, or the Burrell Ellis Administration to enforce these kinds of requirements. I can bore you with dozens of examples: the Walgreens at NoDH and Briarcliff, the Pure nightclub, the QT now being finished at Briarcliff / Clairmont, Davis Oaks townhomes on LaVista. Sorry, my hands are tired of typing.

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Eric Benjamin

1:50 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

They are seeking to change it from single family detached to single family attached. Either RA5 or RA8, 5 units per acre or 8 units per acre, townhome style.

Tom Doolittle

12:57 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Hard to believe this will be single-family residential. This outfit does big stuff. Look 'em up. In fact, I wish they'd do some big stuff right where their office is--at Northlake.

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Sally

6:56 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

I wish that as well. As long as it's not more apartments where more thugs can move into the neighborhood.

Kiera Lynn

1:49 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Isn't this the area on Briarcliff road that gets gridlocked? Where do they expect the traffic to go?

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Eric Benjamin

1:52 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

My kids are at Briar Vista ES. The intersection of Briarcliff and LaVista is already heavily congested from 7:00-9 and 3:30-7, Monday-Friday.

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Leigh Stewart

6:47 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

There sure is a lot of griping before you even know what they are planning. If you want some trees, I can send you plenty from my yard. I rather see new development than 50-75 year old homes surrounded by ugly trees covered in ivy. The main thing that I wouldn't care to see is more commercial property or worse yet industrial property. Other than that, people need to quit griping about companies that want to rebuild the aging, eye-sore properties. You may not like traffic in Atlanta; but, the demand for ITP isn't going to change. They will either redevelop your area or they will build outside your area and drive through your area to get downtown. Many of these older, run down homes/apartment buildings are elderly people who have paid off their homes and are waiting on selling them for land value. They will let the homes/buildings rot until it sells. Don't assume that avoiding rezoning is always a positive tactic to revitalizing a community. Look at all the little pockets of "quaint" single family homes closer in downtown. (I sure wouldn't get caught outside after dusk. I would rather be in a gated townhome community or a nice cluster home.) Oh wait... I assume their traffic issues disappeared because they chose to not redevelop.... um.. I doubt it. Not in downtown Atlanta. Sorry folks - we are the future downtown whether you like it or not. Would you prefer your area to be one of those "quaint crime ridden delapitated" areas or a redeveloped one?

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Don Broussard

9:52 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012

If clear-cutting in-town infill lots and gated communities are your idea of progress and good design — all I can say is that you are entitled to your own distorted values. The extent others share them is the reason so much of Atlanta metro development is so pathetic. Gwinnett County sounds like your kind of place. You argue that if we don't give developers a blank check, our neighborhoods will become crime zones and we are inevitably the "future downtown". You are flat wrong on the first count and you don't know what you are talking about. On the second count, we will only become the next downtown if we keep allowing the development industry to elect our local officials and buy them off. We need well-planned development that improves our areas and good design that gets enforced.

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JuliaMcElroy

11:16 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012

Don Broussard,
In every post I read by you (which are many on this site), you come across as a jerk and a bully who shuts down the conversation. Not everyone feels the same way you do, and it's not because we are "misinformed." Calling people stupid doesn't foster a healthy dialogue. At least you use your real name for all of us to google so we can avoid you in real life social and professional settings.

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Alexia M. Kartis

10:05 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

I take exception to your comment that elderly people are waiting to sell their homes for the value of the land and, as such, they defer maintenance. Has it occurred to you that many elderly persons are on fixed incomes that provide very little disposable income for such things as new roofs, house painting, replacement windows, etc.? And your comment that the trees are "ugly" is thoughtless. Maybe you don't understand the significance of trees vis-a-vis your need to breathe!

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Leigh Stewart

12:15 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Alexia - I stand corrected. I agree that many elderly have fixed incomes. (Another reason that they cannot afford to fix up their homes and indeed should wait for the home to sell for land value.) The end is the same. Rezoning does not necessarily have to be considered the evil in these situations.

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Don Broussard

8:39 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Julia McElroy, You come across as someone who can't make arguments — so you resort to name-calling. It is not "bullying" to confront false statements or toxic opinions or incorrect facts. Leigh Stewart's post is full of outrageous toxic statements: that the elderly intentionally let their homes rot; that we must give developers whatever they want or else become "crime ridden and dilapidated". Maybe you subscribe to her views, maybe not. But rather than defend them with facts or logic, you make a personal attack. Public statements have consequences. Stewart's statements are wrong, are harmful — and they are an insult to everyone who has worked to make this area of DeKalb a better community. You just consider them "part of the conversation". No one is forcing you to read my posts and my post above was not addressed to you so not sure why you are taking such offense. I'm sorry that you spend time making a list of people to avoid in social and professional settings. You may Google that.

Eric Benjamin

10:23 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012

The problem is the DeKalb tree ordinance is a joke. All you have to do is get an arborist (who also owns a tree cutting company) to say any tree was diseased/unhealthy or leaning towards a structure and you can clear cut the property. Neighbors across the street pulled that one. Only tree they left standing was a sweetgum.

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Don Broussard

8:50 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Sadly Eric, you are 100 percent correct. The DeKalb Commission and CEO has been aware of this for years — and seem quite satisfied with this state of affairs.

Jim Bobber

12:39 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

Davis Oaks on Lavista is a pretty attractive subdivision. The house that was originally on that land was a junky 1940s era house with red plastic siding that looked like brick from the street--but was not actually even brick.

Thus that land could have been filled with a single McMansion--which I'm sure one of our resident experts would have hated, or a bunch of attractive townhomes (which one of our resident experts also seems to hate). The latter was done. They look nice, there are still a goodly amount of trees along the periphery of the property, and I'd wager that it has been good for the bars/restaurants that are within easy walking distance.

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Don Broussard

9:36 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

You can thank the Sagamore Hills Civic Association for working out conditions of zoning for the tree save plan and the design of Davis Oaks; to the County Planning Commission (I was a member) who recommended approval with those conditions and to Commissioner Kathy Gannon who got the conditions adopted by the County Commission. The design you (and I) like so much did not happen by Developer Magic. The first plan for the site was a train wreck with the units reversed to the streets and with no architectural standards. But a legal conditions of zoning did NOT stop the county executive branch / development department from failing to enforce three of them: the width of the driveway; a requirement for brick or wood siding on the second floor levels and not stucco; and to fill the ditch along LaVista frontage and install a uniform sidewalk and granite curb. The architects who designed the units were allowed by the "staff" to ignore these legally adopted conditions. The developer, Rick Porter, got some favors. Sagamore had no money to file an appeal to challenge this —since it was already had being sued by the owners of Club Pure for opposing the permits that were so eagerly given to them by DeKalb County (Sagamore and I won that suit and Pure is no more.) Now you know. So who is your expert, Jim Bob? Thanks for making my point for me.

Jim Bobber

10:03 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Don, Thanks for making my point for me: that it's entirely possible to redevelop a single-house property into higher density zoning and that not only does the world not end, but everything can work out fine. The people that live in the area are allowed to provide input--as it should be.

Is your point that this re-development will be a disaster--unless Don Broussard is onhand to save the day? Gosh Don, it sure looks like you have a commercial interest in pushing this message.

That seems to be a recurring theme of your posts.

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Don Broussard

11:39 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Recurring themes in my posts are that you don't know jack about the examples you throw around; you hide behind a screen name posting snarky comments that do nothing to help this community move forward; and you ignore all the problems of weak planning in DeKalb and Atlanta. You did not respond to a single point I made in the post, the key one being that our community had to work hard with our own architect, planner, and lawyer — to make a good development and even then the County fell short. So I ask: will you be attending the boring meetings about this proposal on Briarcliff to help the neighborhood decide what it wants?— or will you fulfill your civic duty by just posting more BS on the Patch? A commercial theme in my posts? Is that all you got? If I could recover all the fees I've lost doing pro-bono work in DeKalb over the last 15 years, I could put one of your kids through college — assuming you have a kid. And since you want us to follow your advice to redevelop our neighborhoods to your liking, what do YOU do for a living? Or should I ask: what DID you do?

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Jim Bobber

12:01 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Your posts jump all over the place and make it unclear whether: you want to control all land sales to prevent the buyer from doing something Don does not like, or whether you're most upset about the loss of trees.

How is your virtual bravado helping the community move forward? If you feel so strongly about it, perhaps you should be peddling your consulting services to the citizens in that proximity instead of the virtual crowd here.

The NDH area is considered far more desirable and in-town than it was 50 years ago. If the re-development is going to cause you this much agony, consider moving to a more rural area. Sometimes trees are cut down. Sometime houses on what used to be sleepy roads that are no longer so sleepy are re-zoned for other uses.

My living has no relationship to the development of land in the area or lack thereof.

Tom Doolittle

1:17 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Don tells it like it is--always has, with strong opinions and approaches debate with no niceties. It has never surprised me how little credence is given to the fact that the written word in e-mails and on blogs is much less likely to be accurately interpreted than not--especially when a writer doesn't strain to be precise (and "nice") and a reader doesn't strain to understand.

If someone Implied that Don Broussard is commercially oriented, that's one of the most hilarious notions I've come across on this website--or at least in instances where civic activities are the subject.

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