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Jim Tackett April 29, 2014 at 12:21 PM
This is true for Lakeside and Tucker, who are both very zealous and uncompromising on theirRead Moreborders. COBI on the other hand is very flexible--wanting to let the community--not the self-picked leaders--choose the appropriate map. Quote from their FB page regarding boundaries: "The only thing that is hard and fast is the borders of the existing cities. We definitely stop at I-85, where it abuts Chamblee, Brookhaven, and Atlanta! We want to talk to everyone who was within our original scope and get feedback about their current objectives. We have not formalized any maps at this point.
Tom Doolittle April 29, 2014 at 01:15 PM
I wrote at one time that it would be wise to view "City of Lakeside" as more of a storyRead Moreor theme than an actual city until the community had had the time to get used to the idea. http://northdruidhills.patch.com/groups/tom-doolittles-blog/p/bp--lakeside-city-is-not-necessarily-a-city-of-lakeside Now that the reasons no city proposal went forward are becoming clear (hopefully they'll get clearer--you can now add that question to the broad conversation) I say the same thing now for any group with a city idea--large or small--consider yourselves a theme, not an actual city.
Ralph April 29, 2014 at 05:53 PM
I was at the Briarcliff meeting. All I heard was anger toward LCA and Tucker 2014. Not muchRead Moretoward any compromise in changing the boundaries. Going outside 285 a real adament no. And a no towards getting outside Emoryl- blame it on the computer.
Marjorie July 01, 2014 at 11:34 AM
You can educate yourself about the Olmsted Parks here: http://www.atlantaolmstedpark.org/about-usRead More. The Harrison family is still involved in the forst--Deborah Harrison is chairman of the board of Fernbank Inc. The forest was changed by its proximity to residential areas; you can't just leave it alone and not touch it or it will degrade because of its location. The school system had let it degrade, and fortunately some people are working to remedy the situation. They are not the bad guys.
Openfernbankforest July 10, 2014 at 10:05 PM
@Marjorie. 1. I respectfully disagree that Deepdene is even a forest at all. 2. Thank-you for theRead Morein formation on Deborah Harrison that is good to know. The only degradation that has occurred in Fernbank Forest is the "maintenance" of two years of Fernbank, Inc. stay tuned we will be updating our website with new information soon.
Openfernbankforest July 10, 2014 at 10:08 PM
@Marjorie. The community has now heard what Fernbank, Inc. has said. The people believe what theyRead Morese e and not what Fernbank, Inc. tells them.
Tom Doolittle April 25, 2014 at 12:47 PM
Just sent the following request to Rep Scott Holcomb, the only legislator with a district that isRead Morewh olly comprised of the North Central Dekalb "cityhood corridor": Hi Scott: I would think that any group (or movement) that expects to have a referendum move forward on forming a new city would have to gain clear credibility with the public before asking for one. (If that's the case, the question would become what process would accomplish that--and assumed it can't look like anything tried to date). That should have been clear before this last session, but definitely now. What would you say to that? Tom Doolittle
Dawn Forman April 28, 2014 at 12:54 PM
These are my observations for both Lakeside and Briarcliff: 1. Have transparency about whereRead Moreevery donation comes from and who is backing you (politicians, law firms, corporations, etc), so that people know who is supporting the cityhood effort. Vague answers to where the donations and supporter for the studies led many to question who was behind these efforts and those pushing the cityhood movement. This lack of transparency also led people to question the ethics of those pushing these movements, and we all know lack of ethics in DeKalb government is already a huge issue. 2. Real dialogue about what people want to see happening in their community. Maybe a city isn't what is needed, but rather an organization or organizations that take on the issues that are most important to the community. I'm thinking the Blue Print that Kathy Gannon began, but has dropped the ball on. 3. Find a way to connect neighborhoods. 4. Have real dialogue and allow the people and their needs to dictate what happens, not what those running the show want to see happen. 5. Stop pushing this on people. I'm very open to change, but haven't seen any compelling reason by either cityhood group to move forward. I personally see other ways to get to solutions to the problems that we have that don't require a city. 6. Stop with the time frame and WWII analogy. Forming a city or another municipality takes time to be done right and shouldn't be pushed. It was a turn off! 7. Realize that many feel that our county needs to be worked on, before we add another layer of government. We understand that the county has issues, but also see issues in Dunwoody and Brookhaven and think that we'd be trading problems. We know the problems here, but not the problems of any new city and don't like the way that those pushing cityhood are being over bearing and not inclusive. 8. Lack of education of citizens. Many think that forming a new city will lead to getting rid of all of the ills of DeKalb. They do not really understand what being a city means. I'm from up North, where our counties do little for small cities, and running the entire city/town rests on the citizens of that town. Just last week, a woman upset with the pilot program of garbage cans and one day trash pickup ranted about wanting a city because she wanted more trash pick up days and wanted to use her own cans. Her issues will not be solved with any of the cities proposed. 9. The people that represent me in the legislation were not part of either city movement, yet my home was in both. I cannot vote in or out the people who were pushing Briarcliff or Lakeside and both effected me. All legislatures need to be heard and be apart of the process, if their constituents are part of a map. 10. Real discussions where people are able to ask questions and get answers. These discussions may be heated, but they need to happen, so that people can get informed on what cityhood really means and will look like. We need an open dialogue where people are free to speak their opinions and ask questions and get real answers. 11. What happens to the rest of DeKalb if another city is formed? 12. How viable are the cities with their moving maps? 13. What happens when a new city runs out of money and can't annex commercial property to help keep costs down? Can people afford to live in our area? Will our home values and this area be less desirable to live in because of high taxes? This has happened up North. 14. Many of the perks of those running Dunwoody and Brookhaven seem ridiculous to me. The perks and costs of these individuals is a large part of the city budget. Is this the best way to spend our dollars, or is working to changing DeKalb and electing new blood not tied in any way to the corruption that we continuously experience a better way for us to go?
Dawn Forman April 28, 2014 at 12:54 PM
I could go on. The Patch has done a great job on keeping people in the area affected by CityhoodRead Morei nformed. They have done a better job than either cityhood movement at keeping citizens informed. If either group wants to move ahead, I believe that gears need to be changed and that the people living here need to push the movement forward, and not a small group of people who have not been inclusive to all of the areas represented in their map. The condescending tones of people claiming that the older people don't want change is another turn off. I'm not old, but haven't seen any compelling argument to move forward and haven't seen anyone within the cityhood movement make an attempt to try and make the changes within the county that we all know are needed. I realize that watching and studying Brookhaven and Dunwoody that we won't necessarily have something better by forming a new city and in fact could have a new mess on our hands. I've also learned that when things aren't well thought out and are forced, that there are hidden agendas in play and that caution needs to be used. Let's start with what are the problems that we are having and how are ways that we can fix them? What resources already exist and how can we use these resources to make our neighborhoods better? If commissioners aren't listening to our needs and desires, let's run people against them that will. Let's keep it simple, before we add more complexity to an already complex issue.
J. W. MacMahon March 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM
I have used both the "Dish" & most recently, Comcast for an extended period. Dish was Read MoreO.K. unless it really stormed & the signal was lost. I have never lost my Comcast signal and appreciate the consitancy of their availibility. The programming options are wide, depending on what you wish to watch including everything to XXX porn, if you wish to pay (like $15.00) as well as a multitude of movies, i.e. HBO, Showtime, Cinemax & more such as Turner & others that are included within "packages" you may select. My pricing plateau price has not changed and what is offered is a true value in my opinion. Literally 200 channels or more in my package give all the T.V. anyone could want. I find it difficult to be critical of my service when it is always there when I push the on button. How much would all you may recieve cost if gleaned from a multitude of sources. How much T.V. can you watch, but when I wish to do so, there it is!!!! RxJiMac/Atlanta
mind springy March 12, 2014 at 05:14 PM
probably Dekalb county roads and engineering. It's always a bit of a guessing game, but start atRead Moreht tp://www.dekalbcountyga.gov/findadept.html
Patricia Killingsworth March 20, 2014 at 02:00 PM
And Jeff - My two children went to pre-school at Glenn Memorial Methodist Church, K-6 at FernbankRead MoreEl ementary, Chamblee Middle and Chamblee High School. My oldest went on to graduate from Vanderbilt (BA) and University of Virginia (JD), both with honors. My youngest graduated from Yale (BA) with honors, and then returned to Georgia to establish a highly successful nonprofit that provides after school creative writing workshops to at risk middle school students. The school board was riddled with corruption and grossly mismanaged while they were in school here, and there definitely issues with the schools, but they did well because of active parent participation and support. So don't give me that crap about how the schools are so broken that they aren't fixable, and take some personal responsibility to improve them. And yes, both my husband and I have maintained full-time jobs throughout.
Keith Hanks March 20, 2014 at 03:37 PM
No sure what happened to the other post from yesterday. Just reposted...Read Morehttp://northdruidhills.patc h.com/groups/opinion/p/briarcliff-lessons-learned--next-steps_53d6f35c
The Scarlet Pimpernel March 20, 2014 at 09:26 PM
You woke the Tiger and it ate your A$$ up...
Longerthanu March 04, 2014 at 03:06 PM
Neither of these cityhood groups will be a governing entity. The most important vote will be forRead Morethe first mayor and city council in November. They will have the power to decide how the city is run and the direction it takes. They will adopt the first zoning and set the ordinances. We're merely watching the legislature paint the broad brushstrokes now. The important detail comes with the November election.
TruthWillSetYouFree March 04, 2014 at 03:11 PM
Something I can agree with you on longer but lets be honest. Those LCA members who just spent aRead Moreyear in front of all of us would have a pretty big upper hand against a challenger. The trend tends to be those who run these groups end up in office.
Longerthanu March 04, 2014 at 04:48 PM
We're a little different on this side of I-85 than the Dunwoody and Brookhaven crowds. (No Dunwoody Read MoreHousewife jokes over here!) We're less homogenous. It will be up to us to encourage people to run and support them with our votes. Also, we've yet to see who gets to run the City-Yes campaign. Could be a surprise by the time the legislature is done. This could go anywhere.
Longerthanu March 06, 2014 at 03:59 PM
No matter what anybody writes, there's somebody ready to attack. Heck, I got questioned for layingRead Moreo ut simple facts above... Sentiment that I've heard articulated by people for a city-- and people against a city. Gotta have thick skin around here.
Enuff Govt Already March 06, 2014 at 04:46 PM
What’s a new city to do? Why not build a monument to gov’t and while we are at itRead Moredestro y a citizen or two. The city of Sandy Springs in using eminent domain to seize one of the area’s oldest existing businesses. Why? The politicians want to build their gov’t building there or as they stated the location is needed for a future civic facility. The Mayor’s reasoning, “we’ve embarked on a project where we’ve spent over $20 million in taxpayer money…couldn’t put the project at risk.” The business owner, “The main thing is the city is taking prime real estate for government use.” Be careful what you wish for.- http://www.reporternewspapers.net/2014/03/04/sandy-springs-council-votes-allow-city-file-eminent-domain-master-kleen-site/ Or try the Brookhaven way, lease a city hall of 24,000 sq ft for 6 employees, a part time mayor and 4 councilmen. Rent a different building of 16,000 sq ft for the police and a rent a third space for a city court facility.
Tom Doolittle March 06, 2014 at 06:59 PM
Enuff--there are a few aspects of the Sandy Springs project that are interesting: (1) It shows howRead Mored ifficult it is build centers of new cities in typical suburban areas (crossroads, I guess)--is possible that new suburban cities shouldn't have traditioanl city centers. (2) the city center project is a public/PRIVATE project--so essentially they aren't taking private property solely for a public good (which the traditional use of eminent domain didn't envision as government centers)--dubious "taking" for a new private concern. If new cities were indeed a dollar for dollar trade with county government or "no added government" or "closer to the people (the business owner is not a "people", but the new private developer is), you have to wonder what the new cities would be like with those as their top priorities. Then, along the lines of what we really should be identifying right now--what are the things that voters did NOT anticipate when they voted for cities? Point being--FORM A CITY--but know what you're voting for ahead of time. Start making a list of the winners and the losers--its always a zero sum game. Is that any worse than county government? Maybe not, except its your own neighbors making the decisions.
Tom Doolittle February 25, 2014 at 11:03 PM
We can blame "people" for not "paying attention"--I suppose that's OK--we'reRead Morenot responsible for the community. However, I doubt anyone responsible for getting "yes" votes will take that risk--or shouldn't anyway. Fact is, we should have a pretty good idea about how many people have "paid attention"--and if we don't we ought to listen to the reasons why. If not, they may "not pay attention" all the way to the pools and vote "no".
Keith Hanks February 25, 2014 at 11:23 PM
@Tom you might have gotten your wish for "Northlake"
Keith Hanks February 25, 2014 at 11:23 PM
New Posting... "Rumor: Tucker & Lakeside to Combine?" Posted to both North DruidRead MoreHills / Briarcliff Patch and Tucker Patch >> View the duplicate posting on North Druid Hills / Briarcliff Patch... http://northdruidhills.patch.com/groups/opinion/p/rumor-tucker--lakeside-to-combine >> http://tucker.patch.com/groups/opinion/p/rumor-tucker--lakeside-to-combine_5e5fa083
RandyRand February 19, 2014 at 02:24 PM
What is going on in Brookhaven is Brookhaven’s issue but I certainly don’t believe inRead Moreig noring the law or the local voters. Brookhaven was created by it’s own residential voters, in part to deal with zoning law issues which were being weakly applied by Dekalb. What kind of lazy excuse or sorry inference will you make up next TWSYF?
Tom Doolittle February 19, 2014 at 04:20 PM
We've never gotten real clear or specific about what the "zoning" interests are from theRead Morea verage person on the street. However, I'd start with the average person on this blog. I'm not necessarily asking for the complaints--I'm more interested in what you're interested in--specifically. BTW--my guess is the zoning "service" you want isn't where the real benefit is to the "zoning" department when it comes to a city govt being "closer to the people" (in other words, different than DeKalb). The fact is, by the time a "zoning" application is made and a hearing is held where you would have to lobby against it, the decision to support has already been made for reasons you have no idea exists--like a finance authority already issuing bonds, tax breaks, loan guarantees and TADs. By then, a rejection is out of the question--what you get at best is a delay until the heat is off or a cosmetic "downgrade" in density--and DeKalb does all of that.
Tom Doolittle February 19, 2014 at 04:36 PM
This article is about the prediction model. Fact is, on a referendum, once one is proposed, theyRead Moresai l thru--period. These guys do most of their "testing" ahead of time--in fact on really troublesome issues (or those that the AJC takes issue with)--they either do preliminary polling (liquor) or recently have done straw votes (mock elections)--gambling. My point is--after all of that, on statewide issues, a referendum is a done deal with the General Assembly WHEN ONE IS PUT TO A VOTE. Therefore, for referendums, this model described above isn't needed--except perhaps to what...INFLUENCE THE PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS. BTW--local referendums for cities SHOULD be dealt with more seriously than the normal special-interest referendums that most voters don't even understand--and are heavily influenced by the preamble on the ballot.
Joey D March 21, 2014 at 08:14 AM
LOVE, LOVE,LOVE this festival! It's not too big or too small. The variety is always great and myRead Morekid s love the play area!
Roberto February 08, 2014 at 09:19 AM
Here is the latest update --- NO PROGRESS.
Ralph February 08, 2014 at 10:45 AM
What's the bill number for the Briarcliff Bill?
Carrie Redwine February 09, 2014 at 09:04 AM
City of Briarcliff makes so much more sense, thank goodness City of Lakeside didn't show up! IRead Morejust hope City of Tucker can still move forward - a no-brainer on that one!
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