Next City of Briarcliff Initiative Meeting Sept. 12

City of Briarcliff Initiative sign
City of Briarcliff Initiative sign
The next meeting of the City of Briarcliff Initiative, Inc. will be held on Sept. 12 at 7:30 p.m. at Clairmont Hills Baptist Church, 1995 Clairmont Road in Decatur.
Cheryl Miller September 26, 2013 at 06:24 PM
What are you doing with an urban dictionary, Roger? LOL! Now THAT is funny. Trying to keep up with the lingo on the street, are we?
Cheryl Miller September 26, 2013 at 06:32 PM
Longer: Lighten up. L.M.: You are also very funny. Yes, cell towers emit RF radiation at constant low levels. The research is still being debated, but the World Health Organization has stated that it is a possible human carcinogen. There are people on this blog (but not in real life) who would like to think that I, as a parent of a young child, should not have the right to oppose the fact that the school board approved one to be placed at my child's elementary school, right next to the building. Beyond the concerns for health risks, there are other dangers associated with the towers PLUS they are a commercial intrusion into our residential communities. More info at: www.GETtheCELLoutATL.org.
Roger Kennedy September 26, 2013 at 07:13 PM
Cheryl/Loose Cannon. You really are clueless.
D.H. September 26, 2013 at 08:40 PM
Which school has a cell phone tower by it?
Knott Telling September 27, 2013 at 12:13 AM
I'm hesitant to post here, since doing so appears to signal one's desire to be the subject for personal attacks, but the discussion about cell towers is confusing to me. Beyond the fact that it was an odd thing to encounter in a stream of comments I was reading to learn more about city-hood initiatives, I had trouble confirming some of the concerns that were raised. I checked the FCC archives for all communication from the American Academy of Pediatrics relating to wireless technology, and while I did find filings pertaining to cell phone usage, I saw no suggestion that the AAP considers cell TOWERS to be a source of concern. The word "tower" never even appears in the text of the filings. In fact, several other recent filings from the AAP focus on their desire for the FCC to facilitate the installation of additional broadband capacity across the country, which the AAP sees as being critical to their mission to improve healthcare for children. Since "broadband" includes wireless as well as wired transmission, it would seem odd indeed for them to be taking this position without taking the opportunity to emphasize a preference also for seeing that broadband capacity be provided using technology that would not involve wireless technology and a higher density of cell towers. Based on their filings, the AAP seems to draw a clear distinction between the impact of cell PHONES and cell TOWERS. Maybe they have taken a similar position at some point on towers, but I have not been able to find any evidence of it.
Longerthanu September 27, 2013 at 09:41 PM
Cheryl: slow on the uptake and KMA. Also. don't you USE a cell phone? And didn't you work at TV stations? Talk about RF flying around. You must be fried.
Cheryl Miller September 29, 2013 at 02:44 PM
Using a cell phone would give a person a choice on whether or not to take a risk. I may have a cell phone, but I do not put it up to my head. I use it sparingly and do not let my child use it, nor does she use any wi-fi enabled features on a tablet or other device. There are safe ways to use the technology. I also warn others about not putting a cell phone to their heads, but it is still their choice if they decide to do it or not. Putting a cell tower next to a child's school takes away any choice for the children and their parents, but the outcome / costs of taking such a risk would be left up to the parents. I don't want a tower in my neighborhood. I try to protect my child from known hazards because her health is currently my responsibility. I don't tell others how to parent, but I know that I don't let my child play in the street. It is too risky. It's not a definite that she would be hit by a car, but if she were, I would be responsible and have to pay the medical bills, right? So, I don't want her going to school next to a cell tower. How are you going to justify forcing me to do that? Will you take responsibility? What if I didn't have insurance? Who would pay if she got sick? If you do not think it would be right to force my child to play in the street, then it should be easy to understand why we shouldn't force her to go to school with a cell tower. There is zero benefit and 100% risk from the perspective of the child and the parent. If the proposal has zero benefit, then why are we still discussing it? Cell towers do not belong at schools. Period.
D.H. September 29, 2013 at 04:00 PM
Longerthanu September 29, 2013 at 08:01 PM
See what happens when a generation fails to learn science?
Cheryl Miller September 29, 2013 at 11:10 PM
Here is that link to the letter again, in case you missed it: http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520942152 Longer, you need to keep up with the news a little better. Most people here already know about the possible link between cell phones and cancer as the World Health Organization made its announcement back in 2011. Here's a story on CNN about it. http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/05/31/who.cell.phones/index.html You will notice the doctor interviewed is a respected physician and the chairman of neurology at Ceader Cinai Medical Center. If you want to discuss this point further, perhaps we should speak offline as I get the impression that readers get annoyed when they are trying to find information on a subject and you continue to bring up another. Just because you and I know that there is a telecom industry push behind the cities does not mean that everyone else views that as a primary concern. Besides, I'm more concerned about why my electric and phone bills have to go up just because my area might decide to become a city. I mean, its the same service, without interruption. Why do they automatically get to charge more for doing everything exactly the same way they are doing it right now?
Cheryl Miller September 29, 2013 at 11:22 PM
Longer, which generation is that? The one that failed to learn science? I haven't heard of that one before.
Cheryl Miller September 29, 2013 at 11:24 PM
Btw, I still drive a car, but I don't let my child play in the street. So, your point about whether or not I have a cell phone has nothing to do with whether or not I want a 150' tower next to her school.
D.H. September 29, 2013 at 11:47 PM
The telecom industry is behind all these new town initiatives? Do explain. This is new to me
Roger Kennedy September 30, 2013 at 07:35 AM
Oh, please, no. Don't get her started. She's a loose cannon. All roads lead back to cell towers and school - perpetrated by "Lakeside".
Cheryl Miller September 30, 2013 at 11:31 AM
Roger, that's not even close to what I have said and you know it. I simply answered someone's question about the concern that the telecom industry stands to profit from any and all of the new city initiatives, which is absolutely true. It shouldn't come as a shock since the "model" city of Sandy Springs was started by a former ATT Sales VIP, Oliver Porter. He has been speaking with groups at Lakeside City Alliance Meetings and even StoneCrest, I believe I heard. Now a less than transparent board member for the Tucker 2014 group has admitted to working for T-mobile, the same company that wants to put cell towers at our public schools and the same company that was, at the time, expected to be bought out by ATT. How can you not know the details about the city that you supposedly want all others to be modeled after? Are you aware that we will have to pay higher rates for our phone and electric just for becoming a city?
RandyRand September 30, 2013 at 11:59 AM
Cheryl, your persistent paranoia and conspiracy allegations are proportionally irrational in nature. How exactly would you have us or our kids watch any news reports and lower your alleged “radiation” concerns? TV broadcast towers punch out, “radiate”, a signal that travels 25 to 70 miles which is 5x to 7x Pie that of a cell tower. What are you going to do, shut down Northlake Tower Festival? What about CNN’s SAT related “radiation”? We are all getting hit with this when we are outside! And of course, assuming we or the kids are in front of a monitor or TV panel of any kind when watching TV, studying, using the internet, or gaming, we are all being bombarded with “radiation” too! Everything visible is radiating or reflecting radiation, and the non visible, that which is in the infrared spectrum, radiates too, sometimes you will sense infrared heat. (but never under a cell tower) These are the basic scientific facts which Longer was referring to when he stated accurately that we are dealing with a generation failed to LEARN science. Cheryl, your anti-cell tower radiation mantra makes as much kooky scientific sense as me disliking Lima beans, and then making it my mission to ban Lima beans at schools because they contain Cyanide. FYI, natural Cyanide is found in Lima beans, Apples, Peaches, Almonds….but you don’t see anyone going nuts trying to keep these food items off the school menus. Repeat after me: Everything is NOT a Conspiracy!
D.H. September 30, 2013 at 12:24 PM
I kind of enjoy a good conspiracy. Cheryl tell me how the telecommunications industry is influencing (controlling?) the new town initiatives in Dekalb county?
Cheryl Miller October 02, 2013 at 10:12 PM
For starters, Sandy Springs is the model, right? It was started by Oliver Porter, retired ATT executive. What is ATT known for?
D.H. October 02, 2013 at 11:36 PM
ATT is a huge multi national telecommunications company. What of it?
Longerthanu October 03, 2013 at 08:16 AM
Cheryl, please don't ever use "you and I know" in regard to anything again. I don't "know" the phone companies are behind the cityhood proposals -- I don't even believe it. That's one of your conspiracy theories. And you, madam, are the supreme thread-hijacker. Also, Roger nailed your oft-stated conspiracy theory regarding cell towers and "Lakeside" perfectly.
Jim Tackett October 03, 2013 at 12:57 PM
Sandy Springs is an excellent model we need to be looking at. I heard the radio money guy Clark Howard talking about it, saying they are the most successful and best run city in GA. Almost 100,000 residents, who are now getting higher quality city services, while their taxes have gone down from when they were just part of the county. There are good areas and bad ones, but, mostly middle-to higher end homes. (Sounds like Briarcliff to me.) And not that this has any bearing on us, I just thought it was interesting, he said the reason they are enjoying such success is because the residents there look at city govt as a means for providing services only--not as a vehicle for providing jobs. (Sounds like Dekalb to me.)
Cheryl Miller October 03, 2013 at 04:17 PM
Thread Hijacker? Longer, please refrain from telling me what to do. Roger didn't nail anything. He's restating my position based on what he has read. I'm glad to know you are both following the important issues that have been raised here but would like to stick to the topic. If you want to discuss the contract negotiations between Lakeside and the other schools that were once on a cell tower list more than two years ago, then please blog about your actual opinion on the subject and subject yourself to the questions and insults. As you may have noted, I have elected to hold off on blogging anything lately, so the floor is yours. What infinite wisdom will you impart on us? I know... why don't you find out who paid for all the traffic light cameras and who is watching those videos?
Cheryl Miller October 03, 2013 at 04:19 PM
Jim, they also have the highly successful Perimeter Mall keeping them from having to raise residential taxes. There is nothing in this area that compares.
Frannie D. October 03, 2013 at 05:19 PM
Don't listen to Cheryl, she doesn't check things out before she posts. She's wrong. Perimeter mall is not in Sandy Springs. Smart citizens should be analyzIng their success to learn what we could do for our area as well. Big city, lower taxes, excellent services,uncommonly high satisfaction rate among its residents.
Cheryl Miller October 04, 2013 at 09:42 AM
Frannie, you are right. I should have called it "Perimeter Center," not Perimeter mall. The mall itself is in Dunwoody. But, you actually help make my point even more clear: We do not have the business revenue that EITHER Sandy Springs OR Dunwoody have as they are able to keep their residential taxes stable because of the tax revenue generated from BOTH the Perimeter Center area as well as Perimeter Mall.
Cheryl Miller October 04, 2013 at 09:43 AM
My point remains the same... what do "we" in this area have in comparison? Here is a description from the Better Homes and Gardens real estate website about Sandy Springs: "Sandy Springs is home to over 8,000 business and the headquarters of more Fortune 500 companies than anywhere in the State including Atlanta. "The city's largest business district is the Roswell Road corridor and Perimeter Center (although Perimeter Mall itself lies in adjacent DeKalb County)."
Cheryl Miller October 04, 2013 at 09:47 AM
8,000 businesses? HQ to more Fortune 100s than the city of Atlanta or anywhere else in the state? Sure, sounds great to be Sandy Springs, but we're not. So, how does Briarcliff (or Lakeside) propose to mimic them if the money simply isn't there?
Fran October 04, 2013 at 09:47 AM
Cheryl, sales tax does not go to the city. It goes to the county.
Cheryl Miller October 04, 2013 at 09:55 AM
FYI, is Sandy Springs owns the portion of the Perimeter Center surrounding the mall and Dunwoody owns the mall, then that is even more reason for Tucker to maintain claims to our property in the 30084 zip code. It's apparently more valuable!
Cheryl Miller October 04, 2013 at 10:19 AM
Fran, commercial property taxes are based on the value of the property and that is based on how much revenue it generates.


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