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Anti-Walmart Attorney: 'This Is a War for Your Community'

Roughly 200 local residents gathered in North Decatur last night to voice concern and frustration with the forthcoming construction of a Walmart Supercenter in Suburban Plaza.

The conflict between a group of vocal residents and the international retail behemoth Walmart couldn't have been broken down more dramatically than it was Thursday night by Donald Stack, an attorney.

"You have got to understand that this is a war," Stack told a crowd of roughly 200 inside a packed room in . "It is a war for your community. It is a war for your property values. It is a war for your safety. ... You have got to make sure that you stay focused."

Stack represents Good Growth DeKalb, the group of local residents fighting the construction of a Walmart Supercenter in Suburban Plaza very close to the church. His comments at the group's first community forum were among the opening criticisms from a number of frustrated residents directed at Walmart and Selig Enterprises, the owner and redeveloper of Suburban Plaza.

Of the standing room-only group, less than 20 made it to the mic to voice their concerns and opinions. Virtually all of them said they don't want Walmart moving into North Decatur. Most focused on common criticisms of the retailer – that a store's presence eliminates more and better jobs than its creates. That, through aggressively low pricing and expansion, the retailer eventually kills small or family-owned businesses. That it creates traffic congestion and lowers a community's quality of life.

"My hometown, Georgetown, South Carolina, was ruined by Walmart," said Carter Joseph, nearly screaming without a mic. "They standardize everything. They go for the lowest common denominator. ... They treat their employees like dirt, they treat their suppliers like dirt."

Jan Crofford, another local resident, said she felt a redevelopment featuring Walmart represented a lost opportunity.

"In my vision, Suburban Plaza would be a gateway to Decatur," she said. "I'd like to say to the Seligs: It's 2012 now, and I'd really like them to be good stewards of our community. ... I don't believe that a big box business is the way that we should be heading."

While vocal support for Walmart at the meeting was almost nonexistant, Peggy Sharkey of Decatur stood to support the retailer, saying even though she isn't a Walmart sympathizer, she believes the retailer's negative reputation among residents is too severe. The store will create sorely needed jobs, she said.

"Walmart may not be ideal jobs, but if you’re not putting food on the table, and you're not providing for your family, that job is better than no job," she said. "We all need to be willing to be flexible."

Melissa Link, one of the featured speakers representing a group fighting Walmart in Athens, shot back: "You wouldn't tell a victim of domestic violence that an abusive husband was better than no husband at all," she said to applause.

Several residents also said they were concerned that the Walmart will sit between and Emory University Hospital. Selig has said the county has traffic counts and does not believe any traffic increase will be an issue. One local resident, the Rev. Richard Rogers, said he feared a heavy traffic increase on the road could have tragic consequences for some hospital patients.

"A Walmart of that size they're contemplating will cause congestion," he said. "Everyone that is trying to get [to Emory] from the west is at risk. ... Ask yourselves, how many people will die because they can't get to the hospital quickly enough?"

Roz Dewart said she didn't understand why another Walmart was necessary when the retailer operates another store on Memorial Drive just several miles away.

"Isn't there a point of oversaturation? Is my only choice for shopping in the future going to be Walmart?" she said.

While Stack will represent the group if it eventually files a lawsuit against the two companies, he told residents that focusing on media coverage and working the politics of the issue should be first priority.

"Legal recourse should always be the last resort. It is not a panacea," he said. "It is not the magic pill that will solve all your problems."

The church meeting was the largest yet hosted by Good Growth DeKalb, which organized shortly before the DeKalb County Zoning Board of Appeals in December, essentially giving them the go-ahead to start construction. Stack was brought on after the group met its first fundraising goal – $4,000 – in about two weeks. The average gift from local families has been about $67, organizers said.

The group also announced it collected more than $1,000 in cash at Thursday's forum, said Mike Koblentz, chairman of the Northwest Community Alliance and host of the forum.

"This is an unbelievable turnout," he said. "You don't get this everyday."

Stack did not offer the audience any details about how the group might fight Walmart legally. They're currently in the process of requesting documents from the county, and the group plans to focus on several events in the near future, including a protest walk March 10.

"Good Growth DeKalb takes a position that Walmart at Suburban Plaza is not a done deal. We oppose Walmart at Suburban Plaza," said Louise Runyon, an organizer with the group. "Walmart is a giant that is breathing down our neck at the moment."

Victoria Webb February 24, 2012 at 03:43 pm
Thanks so much Jonathan. Evidence that the movement is growing by leaps and bounds. We appreciate all the feedback from last night's forum.
Martin L. Sullivan February 24, 2012 at 04:51 pm
Your attorneys are fearless and have been known to take on the very big guys and defeat them soundly. Jeez, where is an ACE hardware, ALDI, and a sidewalk when you need one? A combination of good value and efficiency will serve and save your community in the long term.
Cindy Borden Mercer February 24, 2012 at 05:04 pm
Walmart's practice of abandoning stores to build a bigger and better store down the street should be enough to convince those in favor this store. I have seen this happen several times in the Greenville, SC area, where my family lives. They simply close the store and walk away. The stores that share the shopping center go out of business, and what remains is a blight on the neighborhood.
N.G. February 24, 2012 at 05:58 pm
I attended the meeting last night and found it to be exceptionally well-run and civil. We all were given the option of speaking our minds and many people made very thoughtful points, many of which I hadn't thought of previously. I wasn't sure how I was going to feel about the group, but I think they are heading in the right direction. I now have hope that we can at least try to develop a vision for our community and I truly appreciate all the time and effort these people have given to the cause. My understanding is that they are all volunteers, which is so admirable, given that it took all my energy and self-negotiating to even make it to that one meeting last night.
MrMatt February 24, 2012 at 07:01 pm
kind of like what sits at Suburban plaza now? i'm not sure WalMart is committing some conspiracy to abandon stores or not, but opportunities come and go over time - whether Walmart ends up occupying the space or some other set of retailers does.
It seems there is a desire among all to do what is best for the area - but it's figuring out what that is that's a challenge. In one camp is clearly an Anti-Walmart group who uses the typical anti-Walmart refrains to scare off supporters. In the other camp is a group who just wants something better than what's there now. I'm guessing the latter group is agreeable to any number of 'alternatives' that would represent progress. But i wonder what the anti-Walmart group would be open to....perhaps they like Suburban exactly as-is, or perhaps a Best Buy and Whole Foods with some add-in tenants, or maybe it's an extension of downtown Decatur with it's locally owned shops and restaurants. I believe it's GGD's position that they would rather "wait" indefinitely (perhaps many, many years) for some "ideal" vision, and live with the current situation in the meantime, vs. allow WM in. If WM abandons this project and the space remains more or less "as-is" for the next 5-10 years - we'll know who to thank. An alternative would be to see and hear both the vision and the timetable from GGD. What do they really want and how do they propose to get there? Or is it just "anti-Walmart", then they go back into hibernation.
George Atoe February 24, 2012 at 07:57 pm
Here is your problem Victoria. When one of your invited panelists, Melissa Link, makes an analogy that keeping Walmart out of the community will be as great as not not having an abusive husband, it makes it very difficult for intelligent, rational, and informed citizens to take your organization very seriously. If you want GGD to be considered a true advocate for improving the community stop with all the sensationalism, protests/marches, and scare tactics and steer your efforts toward an intelligent dialogue with Walmart and/or Selig.
N.G. February 24, 2012 at 08:16 pm
You know, I must say that that comment actually resonated with me. It was an analogy that made sense to me, and I consider myself intelligent, rational and informed. I disagree that the group has been employing scare tactics. To me, that is a sensationalizing and misleading characterization in and of itself. I found out about the group because of one of their rallies, so I think it's about building awareness in a grass roots kind of way. I do agree with you that the next steps has to be political and business outreach in a more sophisticated manner, but, if you were at the meeting, that is the direction they are heading in, so that should be good news to you.
reelmind February 24, 2012 at 08:33 pm
That was precisely the experience of my friend's community in Marion, NC. There was a Walmart that closed and they re-opened another one about a mile down the road. It felt like the same block actually just on a different street. So weird.
Victoria Webb February 24, 2012 at 10:35 pm
We are very much concerned with the long-term effects of this development. Research has shown that both developers and big-box chains will often make concessions only to renege on them once they get those pesky variances waived. Just volunteer for any town civics or historical board and the process will be clear soon enough.
Big Lots in Suburban Plaza is actually one of their most successful tenants. Was anyone over there during this winter's holidays? It was packed and booming. Overall US business estimates say that dollar and discount stores are doing well in this economy, but Walmart no longer has competitive pricing or good value for its customer. I challenge anyone to compare their prices with say, Kroger or Your Dekalb Farmers Market. I did today - and found the DFM was cheaper by half on most items. The farmers market would be in competition, since Walmart wants to have a 40,000 sq'foot grocery section & is less than 2.5 miles away.
MrMatt February 24, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Victoria - all good points. Which begs the question again, what is GGD's vision? It almost sounds like you enjoy the plaza just the way it is. Or is that just a convenient argument since it dovetails with keeping WM out?
Look, I think any retailer who makes the best offer should have the opportunity to exist in an already-developed space (let's remember, it's already developed...not some beautiful greenspace). Yes, i'm a free-market person. So i whole-heartedly detest the 'bash' WM angle. But I generally agree that no one should be bending over backwards to get WM in that space over any other retailer...if WM is angling for tax breaks or environmental and traffic concessions from the county that are above and beyond what any other set of smaller or local retailers would get, I can't support that. Which is why i will continue to suggest a rationale dialog with WM. Press them. Make them commit to 'promises' they make. But don't dismiss them out-of-hand. And don't try to suggest that only WM will bring more traffic, environment concerns, or other problems. It's possible with anyone, and it's only the community who can set the standards by which they want to live.
decatur mom February 24, 2012 at 10:57 pm
What's wrong with Patel Plaza?
N.G. February 24, 2012 at 11:12 pm
MrMatt,
I hope to attend some meetings and it would be great if someone like you could also add his voice since you seem very informed and concerned. From what I hear, I think the next step is a meeting on Tuesday night at the same church they held the meeting, but not sure if that's accurate. Will have to check the website. In any case, if you have the time, I think you would make a great addition.
kb February 25, 2012 at 12:05 am
i'd rather have nothing there than have something like walmart that would do nothing for improvement and quality of life in this neighborhood. i dont want cheap products and crappy jobs from walmart as the way to 'revitalize' and 'improve' suburban plaza. there are many other options that should be looked at and would be much more welcomed like a trader joes. they have quality, inexpensive products and great jobs. i've heard they were close to opening a decatur location a few years ago,but didnt. maybe this was because there was not enough interest from the community. the way to change that is by contacting trader joes directly. copying this from another website from somebody else back in june that felt the same way:
If you want to contact Trader Joe’s executives about coming to Suburban Plaza, here are two important (and correct/up-to-date) names and titles, and their address: Charles Pilliter Executive VP/Operations & Brandt Sharrock Vice President/Real Estate Trader Joe’s 800 Shamrock Ave. Monrovia, CA 91016 or fill out this request form: http://www.traderjoes.com/about/location-requests-form.asp
Joanne February 25, 2012 at 07:56 pm
@George -- I was at the meeting and I thought it was a very civilized, intelligent discussion. It was intended as a community forum, not a dialogue with Selig. I think that is coming.
Melissa Link's comment didn't bother me and I understood what she was getting at. She said telling people a Walmart is better than the current Plaza is like telling a woman that an abusive husband is better than no husband -- a little different than what you quoted. I also agree with N.G. that your accusations are dramatic and misleading. I live in the adjacent community and have received all of Good Growth DeKalb's correspondence, visitied their website, rad some studies that they posted, read their comments and heard their speakers at the Forum. I do not sense any thread of scare tactics at all, unless, of course, you consider facts and concerns to be unreasonably scary.
JR February 26, 2012 at 01:23 am
Suburban Plaza has languished for decades. There were no outside improvements to make the Plaza more appealing - did it keep pace with design themes in the 70s, 80s, or 90s? Who was responsible for keeping the place inviting? Now that person comes to us with a proposal that is still on the cheap. Does the person deserve a reward in terms of continuing to do things on the cheap? Past poor performance with no responsibility to the property should not be rewarded for that effort by allowing a behemoth to come in and save it from spending very little. When the person proves to be a good citizen with concern for the community and makes the property inviting to everyone then alternative will appear. Right now I do not even notice the property when I drive by - whose fault is that and why should anyone be rewarded for that?
pat February 26, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Maybe TJ's would change their mind about SP but long before there was talk about a Walmart, it was my understanding that folks were contacting TJ and were not even getting a response. While the space was still vacant - after Pep Boys - and before Last Chance Thrify - I talked with the manager at TJ Mid town. The manager said that "those people" (us) keep contacting TJ about SP and TJ is not interested. The manager said that SP's proximity to YDFM might be a factor.
CHCA Neighbor March 1, 2012 at 06:36 pm
This is ridiculous. War? Really? Sounds like lawyer-ese for drumming up money. Selig has a right to lease to whomever they want. The area is zoned for retail. Why should neighborhoods have a say in who they lease to? Do we ask Emory Commons to check with us before putting in yet another pet store, or the N Decatur strip mall if we want another mattress store? How many stores, during these hard economic times do you think are willing to come in and invest in a run-down strip mall? Trader Joes and Whole Foods have both said NO multiple times.
Give us a big name anchor store to draw other businesses and give us an increased tax base so our property taxes don't keep rising. If you don't like Walmart - simple - dont shop there!
Joanne March 1, 2012 at 08:04 pm
I think neighborhoods not only have a right but, also, a responsibility to have input on what types of retail establishments are leased in their vicinity. Not shopping at Walmart does not solve the problem of the impact that a 149,000 square foot discount supercenter will have on the neighborhood. In my opinion, Walmart should not qualify as a traditional "big box" store. It's whole business plan and footprint go beyond the commonly referred to definition of a big box.
reelmind March 1, 2012 at 08:49 pm
I agree with Joanne,neighborhoods make it known when they don't want adult entertainment in their neighborhoods and crematoriums, why can't we say what we want about a lease such as this? The area is zoned retail but a huge building is going to be built which will have significant environmental impact on the rest of us.
MrMatt March 2, 2012 at 03:01 am
It seems the GGD efforts would be better served by aiming their sights on Dekalb County government officials and planning committees. If you don't like the zoning and what it allows for - change the zoning - which requires you have some idea of what you want instead.
I can understand that some people hate Walmart because they are Walmart, but I find many of the arguments here to be hypocritical. Walmart will generate too much traffic - but Trader Joes or Whole Foods would be great. Really?? Suppose they mimicked what is on Ponce in midtown. No traffic at all in that cluster with Whole Foods. Walmart hurts mom and pop stores - but WF, TJ or any other national chain is just fine. Really?? Walmart uses cheap China products - but that iPhone in your pocket is awesome. Really? I'm all for a different options - but 1) at least hide your complete hypocrisy and 2) outline a viable alternative vision. I'm starting my own protest group to try to ban all Prius electric vehicles - they aren't made here, they are killing US autoworker jobs, they are hurting the mom and pop gas stations and I think they are ugly.
K.C.S. March 2, 2012 at 02:58 pm
+1
CHCA Neighbor March 2, 2012 at 03:19 pm
Love it.
K.C.S. March 6, 2012 at 07:53 pm
There's at least one person out here who would still like to hear from GGD on some of the points MrMatt made last week. When can we expect GGD to officially, and specifically state their plans– other than rallies, stroller parades & corner protests. (if I have missed this along the way I apologize) IMO, GGD needs to make their list of approved retailers public.
Deanne March 6, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Hopefully they're busy rethinking things after seeing how People for a Better Athens blew it. PFABA and Occupy Athens (unfortunately seems to be under PFABA leader Russell Edwards' spell) received a NO to their demands for meetings with Selig.
Last Saturday's Better Athens Rally organized by PFABA (GGD had a speaker too): http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2012-03-03/occupy-athens-set-tents-outside-city-hall-protest-proposed-walmart ...and from Selig's response: “It’s hard to have a dialogue with groups that won’t take us at our word and insist on dressing up as zombies, accuse us of brainwashing, recording protest songs, and knowingly spreading falsehoods about the project all while claiming they just want to talk.” http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2012-03-05/walmart-developer-wont-meet-occupy-athens-demands
K.C.S. March 14, 2012 at 02:41 pm
Bueller...? : )
I still hope to hear from GGD on more specifics. Or, if they've moved on, just want to know that too. Although I have supported and still support the SP redevelopment, I know my GGD neighbors have their hearts in the right place. If they decide to take on other projects or areas of focus in the future I'd like to know in case I can help out. Thanks!
Joanne March 14, 2012 at 05:07 pm
I hope GGD continues to fight, and their hearts and actions are indeed in the right place.
I'd also like to say as someone who lives in Medlock Park and whose neighborhood is represented by MANA, the only neighborhood ass'n who signed the non-binding agreement, although Deann'es was involved, and as someone not affiliated with GGD, it shows what a class act the MANA neighborhood leaders are. Theresa Same and Sharon Johnson are not dogging GGD in the press or any other place. And I know that it was a consious decision on their part.
Deanne March 14, 2012 at 09:56 pm
YES!!! MANA's leadership has been OUTSTANDING!!! Can't sing the praises of Theresa and Sharon enough! They've been wonderful to work with, they're really cool people, and they've stayed above the fray.
( And I like the “dogging” remark! At times I do feel like I'm on doggie related duty! :0)
emm December 4, 2012 at 07:44 pm
Two statements:
1 - Having a bad job is better than having no job. 2 - Having an abusive husband is better than having no husband. There is a poor analogy at play here. One does not need a husband to pay rent/mortgage/tax, to buy food, to maintain a standard of living, etc. One does need a job for these things. A husband is a luxury. A job is a necessity.
emm December 4, 2012 at 07:54 pm
There was a Walmart near my parents' house for years. When it left, the shopping center died out for a while. The conclusion to be drawn from this is that Walmart supports other businesses (restaurants, service providers) who draw from the traffic Walmart generates.
By the logic used in the above line of reasoning, people shouldn't get dogs for their children because when the dog dies, the child will become sad.

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